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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-13050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...to find the right partner for you and is not whether outsourcing is good or not. - very much like in so many areas of life,
it&#039;s not about the biggest, the best, the cutest, etc. it&#039;s about what&#039;s right for you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;to find the right partner for you and is not whether outsourcing is good or not. &#8211; very much like in so many areas of life,<br />
it&#8217;s not about the biggest, the best, the cutest, etc. it&#8217;s about what&#8217;s right for you</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-13049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can&#039;t agree more ;) thanks Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t agree more ;) thanks Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hrimiuc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Hrimiuc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p.s: cultural differences make the world more interesting]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s: cultural differences make the world more interesting</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hrimiuc</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-13040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Hrimiuc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi all,

I would agree with Arpana regarding the coin game; if you want real benefits from outsourcing then you have to see this like a partnership and not just as a short project that has the only scope of cutting costs.
Reducing costs is important but if you target a minimum of 21%  then you will have to face problems at home: hard to find and retain motivated people and experts in their area. A reliable partner (or more) can take all this headaches and to offer you flexibility and scalability beside the points mentioned earlier.
The only issue is to find the right partner for you and is not whether outsourcing is good or not.

Wish you luck!

Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I would agree with Arpana regarding the coin game; if you want real benefits from outsourcing then you have to see this like a partnership and not just as a short project that has the only scope of cutting costs.<br />
Reducing costs is important but if you target a minimum of 21%  then you will have to face problems at home: hard to find and retain motivated people and experts in their area. A reliable partner (or more) can take all this headaches and to offer you flexibility and scalability beside the points mentioned earlier.<br />
The only issue is to find the right partner for you and is not whether outsourcing is good or not.</p>
<p>Wish you luck!</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Joe "the boxer" Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe "the boxer" Garcia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good topic! However there are several things to discuss here, I mean Outsourcing has a lot of benefits in my country, I&#039;m an American working in Guatemala, and it has generated a lot of jobs, know on the other hand you do have a point, local jobs opportunities are decreasing, but I mean the pros for outsourcing are amazing, the price, technology,Quality, if these weren&#039;t that good companies would not be outsourcing to Guatemala, India, Costa Rica etc. check out this post your lectors might like it http://www.officient.biz/k-o-knock-out-tips-on-outsourcing/, By the way nice posts looking forward to reading more, good info on the global outsourcing  revenue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good topic! However there are several things to discuss here, I mean Outsourcing has a lot of benefits in my country, I&#8217;m an American working in Guatemala, and it has generated a lot of jobs, know on the other hand you do have a point, local jobs opportunities are decreasing, but I mean the pros for outsourcing are amazing, the price, technology,Quality, if these weren&#8217;t that good companies would not be outsourcing to Guatemala, India, Costa Rica etc. check out this post your lectors might like it <a href="http://www.officient.biz/k-o-knock-out-tips-on-outsourcing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.officient.biz/k-o-knock-out-tips-on-outsourcing/</a>, By the way nice posts looking forward to reading more, good info on the global outsourcing  revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Dan, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks, Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks, Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Goemans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Goemans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have come across several ways to tip the scales in favor of quality offshoring.  Here are a few:
* Invest in the right tools and templates for your development environment.  With outsourced teams, rely on your tools to replace the conversations that take place on a day-to-day basis for onsite teams.
* Don&#039;t rely on top-scheduled meetings and communication.  Offshore developers should work directly with the business analysts and others writing requirements.  People on both sides of the ocean should be encouraged to call and email each other directly.

The ability to offshore successfully is definitely distinct from the ability to manage a development project.  Hope the two tips help.

See also our discussion at http://www.manoatech.com/quality]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have come across several ways to tip the scales in favor of quality offshoring.  Here are a few:<br />
* Invest in the right tools and templates for your development environment.  With outsourced teams, rely on your tools to replace the conversations that take place on a day-to-day basis for onsite teams.<br />
* Don&#8217;t rely on top-scheduled meetings and communication.  Offshore developers should work directly with the business analysts and others writing requirements.  People on both sides of the ocean should be encouraged to call and email each other directly.</p>
<p>The ability to offshore successfully is definitely distinct from the ability to manage a development project.  Hope the two tips help.</p>
<p>See also our discussion at <a href="http://www.manoatech.com/quality" rel="nofollow">http://www.manoatech.com/quality</a></p>
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		<title>By: kenny kar</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kenny kar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of these myths are truths.  I&#039;ve worked with Indian offshoring first hand.  The quality is horrible,  test results are falsified,  CMM LVL 5 designations are purchased through bribes,  deadlines are never met,  there are very hostile and judging attitudes towards americans.  Poor ethics is rampant and so is poor quality.

One company went dark for 4 days due to a code move from offshore that was poor quality.

Another almost incurred a HIPAA fine due to falsfied test results.  You must be joking to state there is quality in offshore.

Also,  jobs are lost,  wages are lost government support increases (as does cost) to supplement the unemployed and the dollars go offshore and never come back.  There is a multiplier that reduces consumer demand damaging the US economy on a macro level.  And our young people are unmotivated to study sciences as they know there is no future in it.  Hmmm..that leaves the US totally dependent on a third world country someday that doesn&#039;t like our country but loves out money...hmmmm not a good scenario for national security is it?

I&#039;d like to question your model of 1.12 gain.  What source did you use?

Where is the great benefit to the US economy that was promised?  Where are the jobs?  And my favorie where is the lower cost of goods and services?  I&#039;ve noticed nothing getting cheaper since this trend really took off.

I have noticed executive bonus&#039;s going up at a rather alarming pace.  Then so has the rest of the country...AIG anyone??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these myths are truths.  I&#8217;ve worked with Indian offshoring first hand.  The quality is horrible,  test results are falsified,  CMM LVL 5 designations are purchased through bribes,  deadlines are never met,  there are very hostile and judging attitudes towards americans.  Poor ethics is rampant and so is poor quality.</p>
<p>One company went dark for 4 days due to a code move from offshore that was poor quality.</p>
<p>Another almost incurred a HIPAA fine due to falsfied test results.  You must be joking to state there is quality in offshore.</p>
<p>Also,  jobs are lost,  wages are lost government support increases (as does cost) to supplement the unemployed and the dollars go offshore and never come back.  There is a multiplier that reduces consumer demand damaging the US economy on a macro level.  And our young people are unmotivated to study sciences as they know there is no future in it.  Hmmm..that leaves the US totally dependent on a third world country someday that doesn&#8217;t like our country but loves out money&#8230;hmmmm not a good scenario for national security is it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to question your model of 1.12 gain.  What source did you use?</p>
<p>Where is the great benefit to the US economy that was promised?  Where are the jobs?  And my favorie where is the lower cost of goods and services?  I&#8217;ve noticed nothing getting cheaper since this trend really took off.</p>
<p>I have noticed executive bonus&#8217;s going up at a rather alarming pace.  Then so has the rest of the country&#8230;AIG anyone??</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point Jozef, interestingly enough I am planning to cover CMM as one offshoring myths.  There is a lot to be said about controversy around it. Thanks, Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Jozef, interestingly enough I am planning to cover CMM as one offshoring myths.  There is a lot to be said about controversy around it. Thanks, Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Jozef Antony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jozef Antony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Nick,

great information here! My 2 cents to &quot;Myth 5: Quality of offshore IT operations is lower than in the US&quot;. 

The subject of quality can be really hard to grasp. I would not though rely on any QA certification here too much. Yes, it is a good indicator, that&#039;s for sure. However, I think there are other aspects as well. CMMI5 (or any other certification) might be a double-edged sword. It might make total sense if the processes and the project scope are clearly defined and if the project is quite big. If I think about software development (say agile SWD) it might not be that easy.

One of my older colleagues who has experience outsourcing in Europe and India even says that for Western countries CMMI3 is as much as they can get, because of the Western mentality. Everything above is simply too rigid (for software development).

Jozef]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,</p>
<p>great information here! My 2 cents to &#8220;Myth 5: Quality of offshore IT operations is lower than in the US&#8221;. </p>
<p>The subject of quality can be really hard to grasp. I would not though rely on any QA certification here too much. Yes, it is a good indicator, that&#8217;s for sure. However, I think there are other aspects as well. CMMI5 (or any other certification) might be a double-edged sword. It might make total sense if the processes and the project scope are clearly defined and if the project is quite big. If I think about software development (say agile SWD) it might not be that easy.</p>
<p>One of my older colleagues who has experience outsourcing in Europe and India even says that for Western countries CMMI3 is as much as they can get, because of the Western mentality. Everything above is simply too rigid (for software development).</p>
<p>Jozef</p>
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		<title>By: Top BPO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Top BPO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Top BPO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Top BPO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on behalf of Ravi Raman (Linkedin Answers)

Offshoring issues are rarely understood and appreciated without an inherent bias is clear from the lists of &quot;Facts&quot; and the &quot;Myths&quot;.

Lot of the confusion is knocked off when one compares &quot;offshoring&quot; to &quot;imports&quot; and &quot;Outsourcing&quot; to &quot;procurement&quot;.

It is true that there are exporters who export substandard quality, but on an average- &quot;better quality&quot; is kept aside for exports.

It is true that imports are normally cheaper than local goods but this is not always the case. When a product/service establishes a mark for itself it becomes expensive as there is a low degree of comparability with local alternatives. Same is the case with offshoring IT.

Any attempt to restrict &quot;imports&quot; through tariff and non tariff barriers will have the same impact( on the long term) that was there on countries which had closed its borders for imports. There will be low levels of investment in the local markets resulting in reduced competitiveness over the years. Imagine the days ( 1970&#039;s ) when one had to pay 360% duty to import a computers and the present days when Notebooks are importable practically duty free into India.

IT and process outsourcing are no different from import of goods and lessons have to be learnt from the past.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on behalf of Ravi Raman (Linkedin Answers)</p>
<p>Offshoring issues are rarely understood and appreciated without an inherent bias is clear from the lists of &#8220;Facts&#8221; and the &#8220;Myths&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lot of the confusion is knocked off when one compares &#8220;offshoring&#8221; to &#8220;imports&#8221; and &#8220;Outsourcing&#8221; to &#8220;procurement&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is true that there are exporters who export substandard quality, but on an average- &#8220;better quality&#8221; is kept aside for exports.</p>
<p>It is true that imports are normally cheaper than local goods but this is not always the case. When a product/service establishes a mark for itself it becomes expensive as there is a low degree of comparability with local alternatives. Same is the case with offshoring IT.</p>
<p>Any attempt to restrict &#8220;imports&#8221; through tariff and non tariff barriers will have the same impact( on the long term) that was there on countries which had closed its borders for imports. There will be low levels of investment in the local markets resulting in reduced competitiveness over the years. Imagine the days ( 1970&#8242;s ) when one had to pay 360% duty to import a computers and the present days when Notebooks are importable practically duty free into India.</p>
<p>IT and process outsourcing are no different from import of goods and lessons have to be learnt from the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Top BPO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Top BPO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the present market Offshore outsourcing will help make all IT workers become more productive and allow companies to develop more lively and responsive business replica, which in turn, will help raise salaries for domestic workers in all countries....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the present market Offshore outsourcing will help make all IT workers become more productive and allow companies to develop more lively and responsive business replica, which in turn, will help raise salaries for domestic workers in all countries&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on behalf of Arpana Rawat (Linkedin Answers)

Myth 1 - Offshoring means we don&#039;t need to manage it anymore. Offshore engagement management needs to be managed like any other work. Perhaps the parameters are a little different. No customer involvement will lead to deliveries that do not satisfy the customer.
Once we played a game with our service providers. The game was simple. One person takes a smal bucket and stands away from another person who has to throw the coins in the bucket. In the first round the bucket had to be placed on the ground and stood upright. We had a few coins that went in the bucket, many fell outside. In the second round, the bucket holder could tilt the bucket forward. We got more coins in the bucket. In the third round the bucket holder coudl move the bucket around to catch the coin. We got the most coins.
If we translate the bucket guy to be the customer and the coin thrower to be the vendor, we have our answer. When the customer and vendor are attuned to each other and work like partners, we derive the most value. In other cases non-participation or little participation from the customer resulted in lesser success. Now if the coin thrower was throwing coins in someone&#039;s elses bucket, you may want change them!!!

clarification:

Myth 1 = the myth I believe is the biggest myth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on behalf of Arpana Rawat (Linkedin Answers)</p>
<p>Myth 1 &#8211; Offshoring means we don&#8217;t need to manage it anymore. Offshore engagement management needs to be managed like any other work. Perhaps the parameters are a little different. No customer involvement will lead to deliveries that do not satisfy the customer.<br />
Once we played a game with our service providers. The game was simple. One person takes a smal bucket and stands away from another person who has to throw the coins in the bucket. In the first round the bucket had to be placed on the ground and stood upright. We had a few coins that went in the bucket, many fell outside. In the second round, the bucket holder could tilt the bucket forward. We got more coins in the bucket. In the third round the bucket holder coudl move the bucket around to catch the coin. We got the most coins.<br />
If we translate the bucket guy to be the customer and the coin thrower to be the vendor, we have our answer. When the customer and vendor are attuned to each other and work like partners, we derive the most value. In other cases non-participation or little participation from the customer resulted in lesser success. Now if the coin thrower was throwing coins in someone&#8217;s elses bucket, you may want change them!!!</p>
<p>clarification:</p>
<p>Myth 1 = the myth I believe is the biggest myth</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
		<link>http://pragmaticoutsourcing.com/2009/02/19/10-myths-of-offshore-it-outsourcing-revised/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Patrick Nicolas:

Here is my comments on

- Myth 6: Quality of code produced by offshore organizations is very poor.
I have used offshore engineering teams (India, and Bulgaria) with some success to maintain an existing product line. The quality of code was very good.

- Myth 1: India is the best destination for IT outsourcing
I used both India and Bulgaria. It worked because I decided to use manage the project directly from the US. I used recruiters overseas to pre-select candidates for the interview process so those engineers were just an extension of the US team. It is also critical to use effective communication and collaboration tools if you rely on 24 by 7 development.

Links:
http://www.pnexpert.com/24-7_SCRUM.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Patrick Nicolas:</p>
<p>Here is my comments on</p>
<p>- Myth 6: Quality of code produced by offshore organizations is very poor.<br />
I have used offshore engineering teams (India, and Bulgaria) with some success to maintain an existing product line. The quality of code was very good.</p>
<p>- Myth 1: India is the best destination for IT outsourcing<br />
I used both India and Bulgaria. It worked because I decided to use manage the project directly from the US. I used recruiters overseas to pre-select candidates for the interview process so those engineers were just an extension of the US team. It is also critical to use effective communication and collaboration tools if you rely on 24 by 7 development.</p>
<p>Links:<br />
<a href="http://www.pnexpert.com/24-7_SCRUM.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnexpert.com/24-7_SCRUM.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Campbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was some math around that number by the way.

I also liked your comment about the &#039;flat&#039; world.  I have worked in 37 countries during my career - lived in 6.  There is very little I would consider &#039;flat&#039;!

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was some math around that number by the way.</p>
<p>I also liked your comment about the &#8216;flat&#8217; world.  I have worked in 37 countries during my career &#8211; lived in 6.  There is very little I would consider &#8216;flat&#8217;!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Krym</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Krym]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ed.  21% is a great benchmark, could be a good answer to those looking for &quot;break even&quot; point of going offshore. thanks, nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ed.  21% is a great benchmark, could be a good answer to those looking for &#8220;break even&#8221; point of going offshore. thanks, nick</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Campbell</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a bad comparison - if anything, you are bending a bit too far in your efforts to be fair.

I started setting up off-shore technical response and parts managemen centers in India about the mid 80&#039;s for Honeywell.  At that time, India&#039;s government policies, import/export regulations, etc., were their biggest enemy.  At that time, you could &#039;hire&#039; a PHD for about $6-$8k / year.  You can absorb a great deal of customer dissatisfaction when your margin rates are at 50-60%.  My prediction then (and I stand by it yet today) is that when the advantage of doing business there is 21% or less better than in the US - companies will stop doing it there.  That seems to be the &#039;cost&#039; of customer/client satisfaction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad comparison &#8211; if anything, you are bending a bit too far in your efforts to be fair.</p>
<p>I started setting up off-shore technical response and parts managemen centers in India about the mid 80&#8242;s for Honeywell.  At that time, India&#8217;s government policies, import/export regulations, etc., were their biggest enemy.  At that time, you could &#8216;hire&#8217; a PHD for about $6-$8k / year.  You can absorb a great deal of customer dissatisfaction when your margin rates are at 50-60%.  My prediction then (and I stand by it yet today) is that when the advantage of doing business there is 21% or less better than in the US &#8211; companies will stop doing it there.  That seems to be the &#8216;cost&#8217; of customer/client satisfaction.</p>
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